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Host A: Welcome back to our deep dive into the book of Proverbs! Today, we're spending our full time unpacking a powerful, and frankly, challenging chapter: Proverbs chapter five.

Host B: Absolutely. It's a pivotal section. The notes we're using highlight that Proverbs 5:1-14 gives us a stark warning about giving our years of labour to the adulteress. But it's not just about physical adultery; it also represents the love of this world.

Host A: That's a crucial insight from the notes. It broadens the scope of the warning significantly. Following a selfish path of worldliness means departing from God's plan for our lives. And the consequence? One day, on Judgment Day, we'll sit in sorrow and mourn, saying, “How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof”.

Host B: That verse, Proverbs 5:12, is quoted directly in the notes as the voice of a man consumed with grief. It underscores the ultimate pain of wasted years. The notes stress that we'll be rewarded based on how far we finished God's plan, not on what we accomplished for ourselves.

Host A: The structure of this chapter is interesting too. The notes mention the verses in Proverbs 5:1-14 speak to us in pairs, or couplets. And there's a proposed outline that helps break it down. It starts with maintaining wisdom.

Host B: Right, Proverbs 5:1-2 calls us to seek wisdom so that we will speak from a heart of wisdom. Proverbs 5:1 says, "My son, attend unto my wisdom, and bow thine ear unto my understanding".

Host A: "Attend" is a key word here. The notes use the Strong's definition for the Hebrew word "qashab" (H7181), which means "to prick up the ears, i.e. to hearken". It's used 46 times in the Old Testament. The comment on this verse is direct: we're told to focus our attention upon God’s Word.

Host B: And if we don't focus on the Lord? We'll focus on the things of this world. Whatever we focus upon is what will eventually capture our hearts. Proverbs 5:2 adds that the goal is to regard discretion and for our lips to keep knowledge. This call to wisdom in 5:1-2 sets the stage before delving into the danger.

Host A: Speaking of danger, the notes jump right into Proverbs 5:3-4, calling them "The Lips of Seduction". This is where the trap is laid. The strange woman's lips appear "pleasant desirous", contrasting sharply with the horrible results.

Host B: The description is incredibly vivid. Her lips drop as honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil. The notes explain that in Solomon's day, nothing was sweeter than honey or smoother than oil. This appeals to our senses of taste and touch. It's about appealing to man's five sense gates.

Host A: Why the senses? The notes clarify the strategy: the battleground is the mind. It is through the mind that the heart is captured. And what are the spoils of this victory? The notes say it's the wealth of a person whose heart and mind have led him down a path of bondage to sin. Whoever controls his heart gains his wealth. A man will give his strength and wealth for what he holds dear.

Host B: This isn't a passive threat; it's a daily battle. The strange woman knows she has to enter the man's mind and heart through his sense gates. She's learned these "rules of warfare from her youth". She uses soft words for ears, beauty for eyes, prepared lips for taste/touch, perfume for smell. She leaves no entrance gate unattended. Proverbs 7:26 tells us she has "cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her".

Host A: The notes bring in other scriptures to illustrate this point about the senses. Job 31:1 is quoted: "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?". Job understood this power of temptation. He made a decision in his heart before encountering temptation.

Host B: He decided not to gaze and stare. You can't stop seeing things, but you can decide not to focus attention. You can turn your eyes away and focus thoughts elsewhere. The notes connect this directly to Jesus' teaching in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:27-28, where gazing with lust is adultery in the heart. That's what Job was avoiding.

Host A: The notes also draw a contrast using Psalms 19:10, highlighting that the Word of God is more valuable than gold or honey, and smoother than oil. This puts the seductive appeal of the strange woman into perspective compared to the value of God's word.

Host B: Yes, and the notes point out that while a man rules by strength, a woman, being seen as weak here, rules through seduction. Proverbs describes her mouth as a deep pit that men fall into, citing Proverbs 22:14 and 23:27. It’s presented as a dangerous trap.

Host A: And Proverbs 5:4 gives us the flip side: her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword. The notes define wormwood (la`anah H3939) as a bitter, poisonous plant, often used metaphorically for bitterness. Its New Testament counterpart is apsinthos.

Host B: It describes what the spirit of man experiences when his conscience shows him his sin. The grief and pain in the soul of someone overcome by sin is enormous. The soothing lips (Prov 5:3) lead to the sharp pain of a broken heart and a bitter taste.

Host A: This seduction leads down the path of death, not the path of life. Proverbs 5:5 says, "Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell".

Host B: And Proverbs 5:6 describes this path as unpredictable. "Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them". The notes explain that the word "ponder" (palas H6424) means "to weigh (mentally)". It's used six times in the Old Testament. Interestingly, it can be translated as either "you ponder" or "she ponders" because of the Hebrew structure, though KJV and the Septuagint read it as "you ponder".

Host A: "Her ways are moveable". This kind of woman, or figuratively the world, can love you one instant and hate you the next. The notes illustrate this with examples like Delilah and Samson, or Amnon and Tamar. A man chasing such a woman cannot figure her out; she's constantly changing her mood. She doesn't want anything permanent, is restless, and wants constant change, requiring greater depths of sin and indulgences. One relationship isn't enough.

Host B: So, the instruction in Proverbs 5:7-8 follows logically: Stay on the path of wisdom, and far from the path of the strange woman. "Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house". We are told not to be sidetracked by the lures of our senses. The mouth of wisdom in 5:7 is contrasted with the mouth of the strange woman in 5:3.

Host A: This warning in 5:8 is critical. The notes say ignoring it brings regret and sorrow (5:12-14) from falling into promiscuity (5:9-11). Proverbs 7:8 shows a young man doing exactly the opposite, going near her house, thinking he was strong but finding he was weak.

Host B: Paul gives similar warnings. "Flee fornication" in 1 Corinthians 6:18, noting that this sin is against one's own body. And to young Timothy, "Flee also youthful lusts".

Host A: The notes reason that Paul knew this was an area believers could easily be overcome, so he advised them not even to be near such temptations. It's wisdom telling us not to get into a place where our senses are being aroused. We must not be deceived into thinking we are strong enough to overcome these temptations.

Host B: If you follow the strange woman, Proverbs 5:9-10 warns about the loss of honour, life, wealth, and strength. Riches, honour, life, and health are blessings of wisdom (Prov 3:16), so the path of death loses all these blessings – spiritual, mental, physical, and financial. Solomon pondering Pharaoh's daughter's beauty was a trap.

Host A: Proverbs 5:9 says, "Lest thou give thine honour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel". A man who follows whorish women loses honour in his community. Giving his years "unto the cruel" means giving his life and effort to evil people, especially to the devil.

Host B: Proverbs 5:10 adds, "Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger". The notes are blunt: the objective of the evil man and the strange woman is to gain their victim’s wealth. The devil will craftily steal and waste your substance.

Host A: The notes give a powerful illustration of this: media and businesses advertise perverse lifestyles, becoming rich from victims' wealth. People yield, spend their wealth on pleasure, while the advertisers get rich. Going to a nightclub to satisfy lust destroys the man's life while the owner gets wealthy. "Labours" means his best strength, the most active years. The notes even share a personal story of a father losing wealth through divorce linked to wrong marriages.

Host B: Proverbs 5:11-14 gives us the words of grief from the fool. This is the voice of a man consumed with grief. The notes say it's only in utter despair that the fool admits his errors. When his body is used up, he grieves wasted life and hated instruction. Only when judgment is unbearable does he acknowledge sin.

Host A: This connects to a larger theme the notes introduce: The Three Paths to Destruction. Sin enters the heart (5:1-23), then corrupts the mind (6:1-5), and finally defiles the body (6:6-11). Proverbs 5 is the path of the adulteress, bondage of the heart. Proverbs 6:1-5 is the loose tongue/world's wisdom, bondage of the mind. Proverbs 6:6-11 is slothfulness/laziness, poverty of the body. The notes show the fearful end of those who follow these paths.

Host B: The notes contrast the outward manifestations of following wisdom versus following these paths. A transformed heart shows a "crown of glory" and peace (Prov 4), while a corrupted heart (Prov 5) is in bondage to sins (Prov 5:22).

Host A: A renewed mind (Prov 4) makes wise decisions and doesn't stumble. A corrupted mind (Prov 6:1-5) cannot make sure decisions, constantly agreeing to please others. A body directed by God's Word (Prov 4) lives a long, healthy life. A body not yielded to the Lord indulges fleshly passions, leading to addiction and becoming a sluggard (linking 5:6-11 in notes, referencing Prov 6:6-11 contextually). This manifests as poverty (Prov 6:11).

Host B: The common factor in all these sections, wisdom's paths and the fool's paths, is that they all begin with wisdom calling us to take heed to God’s Words. Daily meditation and study establish our minds and hearts in truth, so we won't be deceived by the world's noise.

Host A: So, after painting this bleak picture of destruction, Proverbs 5 offers the Remedy: A Happy Marriage. Verses 15-19 describe the institution of holy matrimony. Marriage is called a well, running waters, fountains, rivers.

Host B: Water refreshes the soul, sex refreshes the flesh, but genuine love in marriage refreshes the spirit, soul, and body. The notes are clear: the pleasures of marriage outweigh the pleasures of fornication. The remedy is to pay attention to wisdom, stay far from the adulteress, and focus on your wife as God's source of satisfaction.

Host A: The contrast is made explicit: the wife is fresh, clean water, while the whore is a dirty ditch (Prov 23:27). Just as filthy water brings disease, a whore is a source of infectious disease. The adulteress is "strange" compared to "knowing" one's wife.

Host B: Proverbs 5:15 says, "Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well". Owning a well was a blessing, a private source of refreshing. The notes contrast this with "stolen waters" in Proverbs 9:17, which are sweet temporarily but lead to the dead and hell.

Host A: Proverbs 5:16 adds, "Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets". Having your own well meant enough for yourself and others. The notes interpret the fountain as the man and woman in marriage, and the rivers as their offspring and the overflow of blessings into society. Children are seen as a multitude of blessings.

Host B: This idea of "waters" representing offspring or provision is seen elsewhere, like Judah coming from the "waters of Judah" (Isa 48:1), or the river from God's throne representing life (Rev 22:1). In contrast, a man committing whoredom won't produce children (Hosea 4:10).

Host A: Proverbs 5:17 emphasizes that children from marriage should be "only thine own, and not strangers' with thee". Children from a holy marriage are loved and honoured, but children from harlotry are often despised, illustrated by Jephthah being rejected by his half-brothers. The notes also mention Ishmael being cast out by Abraham.

Host B: Then comes the beautiful instruction in Proverbs 5:18: "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth". The phrase "wife of thy youth" appears in Ecclesiastes and Malachi, urging men to live joyfully with the wife they love and not deal treacherously with their covenant companion. Malachi 2:15 notes God made one to seek a godly seed.

Host A: The notes acknowledge the initial joy in early marriage. But they warn that a husband can neglect his wife's needs, leaving her depressed and less responsive. This immaturity can lead him to look elsewhere, blaming his first wife when he was the cause of her state.

Host B: Proverbs 5:19 uses lovely imagery: "Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love". The notes mention "hind" and "roe" (doe, deer, gazelle) symbolising grace, and how women were even named after them (Tabitha/Dorcas Acts 9:36). Wealthy men kept them as pets, illustrating something precious to be delighted in, referencing the ewe lamb illustration in 2 Sam 12:3. The notes also cite Song of Solomon references to the roe in relation to love.

Host A: The mention of breasts being a source of satisfaction is highlighted as both the seat of emotion and source of attraction. Being satisfied with his wife means he won't look elsewhere. His affection satisfies her needs, and his physical attraction is an indicator of relationship strength. The notes cite Song of Solomon references here.

Host B: The word "let" used in Proverbs 5:19 is significant. The notes interpret it as a matter of a man's will. He decides whether to keep the bond strong or let his eyes wander. Saying passions are uncontrollable denies this initial choice.

Host A: This is where the notes tie in the secular media, which uses seduction to get the man's wealth, needing his eyes off his wife. They don't care if they destroy a marriage as long as they get their wealth. The notes share a personal lesson: turn eyes away from seduction, don't meditate on it, to avoid bondage.

Host B: To put it simply, Proverbs 5:19 tells the husband to keep the fires of romance burning. His physical attraction shows the health of the marriage. Take her on dates, do things to keep her beautiful and sexy, buy romantic things. If he doesn't, he might be tempted elsewhere. The notes argue it's the husband's responsibility to keep romance alive, and the wife will follow his leading.

Host A: Finally, Proverbs 5:20-23 gives us the Punishment for Adultery. Proverbs 5:20 asks, "And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?". The word "ravished" (shagah H7686) means to stray, mislead, transgress, or be raptured. It means becoming lost in passions, failing to reason.

Host B: It's the same word used positively in 5:19 for being "ravished" with his wife's love, highlighting the contrast. Wisdom tries to reason, but the man is lost. Job knew this struggle. Proverbs 6:27 asks, "Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?".

Host A: Proverbs 5:21 gives the ultimate reason this matters: "For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings". The word "pondereth" (palas H6424) again means to weigh mentally. It's used six times in the OT. The Lord sees our ways and weighs our works on the scales of judgment.

Host B: The notes cite several scriptures on God weighing actions (1 Sam 2:3, Dan 5:27, Ps 62:9). Hebrews 13:4 is quoted: "Marriage is honourable...but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge". Revelation 22 warns that whoremongers are outside the New Jerusalem.

Host A: The notes even share a personal dream illustration: "The Stage and the Scales" – we live on a stage before God, then are weighed after death.

Host B: Proverbs 5:22 states, "His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins". Continuing sin becomes a bondage you can't break, like alcohol or drugs. Sexual perversion is noted as perhaps one of the greatest bondages.

Host A: And finally, Proverbs 5:23: "He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray". This refers to the sinner's judgment. The notes draw a parallel to God's chastisement on believers in 1 Corinthians 11:30-32, where weakness, sickness, or death ("sleep") are consequences of not judging ourselves, being chastened by the Lord so we won't be condemned with the world.

Host B: So, Proverbs 5 is a comprehensive warning. It shows the lure of sin, the destructive path it leads down, the loss it incurs, the grief it causes, and the ultimate judgment it brings.

Host A: But crucially, it also offers the divine remedy: seeking wisdom and nurturing the love and satisfaction found within the covenant of marriage. It's a choice we make daily, a battle for the mind and heart.

Host B: Absolutely. Choose wisdom, stay on the path of life, and cherish the blessings God provides within marriage. That's the clear message from this deep dive into Proverbs 5.